Apr 082009

I’ll state this upfront – I’m a newb when it comes to raiding. I finally joined a guild (with my 80 Rogue) which does some raiding (mostly PUGs) and when asked,”Hey, ya wanna join us for (some raid abreviation)” my answer is typically, “What’s that?”

So I prodded a friend, who does raid a lot, into writing an article on Rogue Raid DPS which I found quite useful. Now it’s time to start playing around with some of this stuff and see what I can come up with and see if I can get to the point where my Rogue is useful.

My first raid was 25 Man OS (no drakes) and I beat most of the healers for DPS output. I was running a PvP mutilate build and had no clue so didn’t respec.

More browsing brought me to the ElitistJerks.com Roguecraft Spreadsheet which factors in a huge amount of stuff. It includes a Mutilate build and various defaults for maximum DPS.

I specced into that build and hit 2k DPS on the Orgrimmar practice dummies, so maybe there’s hope for cracking the top 20 of a 25 man raid?

Anyway, here’s what I’m working with for now:

Mutilate Build Details

Here’s the build on WoWhead

Note: this is a dagger build and assumes use of instant and/or deadly poisons. Lev 80 (non elite) mobs go down real fast with this build.


  1. 5/5 Malice – more crit chance
  2. 3/3 Ruthlessness – more combo points
  3. 2/2 Blood Splatter – Adds to your DoTs
  4. 3/3 Puncuring Wounds – +15% Mut crit, +30% Backstab crit
  5. 5/5 Lethality
  6. 3/3 Vile Poisons – Greater chance to actually apply poisons
  7. 2/2 Fleet footed – Moved faster while stealthed and spend less time being rooted
  8. 1 Cold Blood – add this into a macro with your favorite strike. I add mine to Eviscerate.
  9. 5/5 Seal fate – Use less energy
  10. 3/3 Focused attacks – gain energy from crits
  11. 3/3 Find Weakness – All damage increased by 6%
  12. 1 Mutilate – Your bread and butter attack
  13. 3/3 Turn the tables – Adds 6% crit chance to bread and butter attacks. lots of arguing going on over whether to choose this or 3/3 Master Poisoner. Comments?
  14. 5/5 Cut to the chance – lets you keep Slice and Dice up permanently.
  15. 1 Hunger for Blood – More damage, Rarr! Edit: Will be changed (improved?) when the 3.1 patch hits.


  1. 5/5 Dual Weild Specialization – More DPS
  2. 5/5 Precision – Your Dual Weild gives a major “to hit” penalty. This compensates somewhat.
  3. 3/5 Close Quarters cbt. – More crit chance


  1. 5/5 Relentless Strikes – Restores energy
  2. 2/2 Opportunity – +20% damage to your bread and butter strikes.

Weapons I’m using right now. Both drop off the Auction House.

  1. Main – Titansteel Shanker
  2. Off hand – Librarian’s Paper Cutter


  • Exceptional Agility (+26 ag) on Main hand
  • Titanium wpn chain on off hand (+28 hit rating)

I’ll be playing with some weapon choices, poison combos, gems, etc. to see what I can do to boost DPS.  Your comments? Thoughts? Changes? What do you have to say?

Edit 4/9: Joined a PUG into 10 man OS. Hit almost 2400 dps on the trash (#2 on the DPS list,) but the group disintigrated before the first drake. No one died, but people suddenly realized they had to wash their socks, so poof. All of a sudden I’m raid leader with two people in the raid.

The Recount addon said I had a miss rate of almost 15%, so I guess I need to look for more Hit ratng. Might try the Titanium Weapon Chain on the main hand as a start and swap an Ag gem for a Hit gem.

Changed off-hand to Namlak’s Supernumerary Sticker

Mongoose provides better DPS than Exceptional Agility and Berserking is better still, but Mongoose is over 400 gold (and Berserking is a lot more.) I’ll see if I can get better weapons before blowing that much cash on Berserking.

  9 Responses to “Raiding Rogue Builds and DPS”

  1. Hey! Great post and first of all congratulations with coming to the dark side of what we refer to ad “Raiding”.

    At first it is expected to have low DPS but when you finally understand how DPS really works then you are one step closer to cracking the code.

    2k DPS on a dummy is pretty cool, but try to get up to 3k DPS just to ensure your title of “highest DPS”, I know I am not up there yet but I am sure working on it.


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  2. Raiding gives the game a whole new twist! Good luck. I have been mostly PvPing my rogue up to now but I am getting bored raiding on my priest so maybe I will try out the Mutilate spec too.

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  3. Hi, Just looking for sum answers to questions i have been asking myself but as yet have not found any answers. I am level 80 comat rogue with a hit of 294(need 315 apparently)but have not worn my Gloves of fast reactions, titainium chocker and titainium impact band because the blue items have all hit on them and changing them moves me away from the hit cap? Any suggestions? I guess what am asking is is it worth upgrading to items with better Agility and AP but loosing a lot of Hit?
    Many Thanks

  4. Had to say thanks! I get so much useful info from your posts! And I love PvP, but raids are the best with the right friends.

  5. The rotation that u use would be a nice addition to the given info.

  6. I really like this build. I will try it with my 72 rogue.

  7. hey bro, nice to see this type of post around, humble with a touch of inspiration, for our up and coming rogue. If it is no trouble, Id like to see an update on how you and your rogue are doing now. You have listed quite a sweet build, and just wondering if you have made any changes to it since posting this…

  8. Yea would be nice with an update.

  9. Congrats on your recent dps increase. I wanted to throw in my 2 cents on your question about “Turn the Tables.” It only procs when someone in your group dodges an attack. If your party members are doing their jobs, only the tank should be getting attacked, so he is the only one who will be dodging. Therefore, while this talent is nice, there may be better ways to spend the points. I would suggest taking the 3 from Turn the Tables, and 2 from Fleet Footed, and putting them all in Improved Poisons. If you need to break a root, pop Vanish, move behind for a quick Ambush or Garrote, and continue your rotation. I typically do around 6k dps on boss fights, and have been over 7k, if the fight is long enough. My 5 point envenom crits have hit for over 13,000 damage when all my enchants and trinkets proc at the right time. I hope this helps and good luck!

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