Death Knight PvP at level 80, from the beta. Siege Vehicles! ’nuff said.
I haven’t started a DK yet. Yeah, I know, I’m bad. I did play one for awhile in the beta and I’m looking forward to it, but I think I’m going to get my Rogue up to 80, first. I haven’t had much time to play recently and I’m only level 73.
So. DKs and PvP. What do you think of them as they stand, now?
Are they the overall destruction machine of choice? Or strong against casters and Ok against others? Or…? Are they the Gankers or the Gankees?
Planning to play a Death Knight when Wrath goes live? Or are you going to give it a couple of weeks to let the hordes move on?
If you are going to join the Deathknight horde (at any time) then you might want to check out this freeDK leveling guide (a PDF) that covers the DK starting area. Both Horde and Alliance will be using the same area, just in case you didn’t know, so this guide applies equally to both sides. (By the way – I didn’t write the guide.)
When I was running my DK through that area some weeks back there were a number of people asking “Where’s the…?” “How do I…” etc. So I think that a lot of people will find this to be useful. Download it here and save to your disk.
Nyhm is a character best know for making a series of well loved videos on YouTube. Most of these videos have hundreds, or thousands, of 5 star ratings from his fans, so check them out sometime. I’ve posted a few of Nyhm’s videos here, but just search his name on YouTube and you’ll find the others.
I managed to catch Nyhm in-between battles against the evil Gnome hordes and asked him a few questions, but note the edits, below:
edit: As you’ll see in the comments there is some, ahem, question, as to whether this fellow is actually the some one as the one who did the videos. I’ve also removed the links to the guides until I get this sorted out.
edit 2: I updated the discussion in a later post, but I should have linked to that post here. Here’s the post that clarifies everything and, yes, I should have linked to it sooner. And yes, I did step in it. My bad.
The commenters below are correct, there are two Nyhms. One does the videos (and it’s his video below) and the other Nyhm writes the guides. Their only connection is the same name and that they both play Warlocks. So as I mentioned in the other post, from here on out I’ll refer to them as Nyhm of the Videos and Nyhm of the Guides whenever I mention either of them.
The interview is from Nyhm of the Guides:
How long have you been playing WoW?
(Since) November of 2004
What kind of raiding and PvPing do you do?
I don’t do much raiding anymore, but I pvp all the time on alts, friends’ characters, and my arena team.
What keeps you playing after all this time?
PvP just never seems to get boring, and I have a lot of friends that play.
Is Nyhm your main character? Or mostly just the face for your productions? (And I did find him on the WoWarmory.)
Nyhm is my main but I don’t play on him anymore
What got you into making videos?
Nothing really, I just decided one day that I wanted to make WoW Videos.
Who’s on your production team? Or do they prefer to remain in the shadows?
My friends help me out a lot.
What equipment and software do you use to make the videos? (He makes videos related to his guides.)
What’s the first character you’ll be working on when Wrath of the Lich King is officially released?
Deathknight, of course
Are your guides written from your own efforts and experiences or do you have a team behind them?
They are mostly written by me but I have a lot of help from friends
What made you decide to write leveling and gold guides when there is quite a bit of competition already?
One way to keep the game interesting is doing things out of the game like making videos or guides so it was just another WoW related project that I wanted to complete.
A couple posts back I put up a Nyhm video, Got an Epic, and also mentioned Nyhm’s guides.
edit: The Nyhm who created the videos in the other posts states that he’s not the same Nyhm who created the Nyhm’s WoW guides, so I have removed the guide links.
If you need a 1-80 leveling guide then check out Zygor’s Guide.
I wish I could claim credit for these, but they’re both from the people at Dominate Your Server. Cool site, great tips, and their emailings are full of good stuff.
1) Never quest out of rest.
Questing is faster than grinding, but only if you have your quests somewhat organized. This is why I like leveling guides. Many players don’t really need them, especially after leveling several characters all the way.
Always stop in an inn when done and always make sure you have rest XP available when playing your toon. When you run out of the rest XP then you hand in whatever quests and log out in an inn to recharge.
If you run out of Rest XP and just have to keep playing then go for it, or farm for items or gold or rep or go kill other players. Heck, log into your auction house banker and do some buying and selling.
If you stick to the rest XP and you have your quests organized you should find yourself leveling very quickly.
1b) Roll several toons and run …
Have lots of playing time? Roll several toons and combine playing them with the rest xp. So when toon #1 is out of the rest xp you log her ouit and log in the net toon. So you’ll have two more characters leveling at pretty much the same rate, you’ll be able to stay in the rest xp zone for 100% of your playing time, and you’ll have those characters all hitting 70 arouind the same time.
2) Never play alone.
If you always pair with someone to do your leveling you’ll find that the levels go by significantly faster.
You’ll get less XP per kill, sure, but you’ll kill things alot faster. You’ll also have less downtime, even if the extent of your healing capability is your first aid skill.
You’ll be able to take on tougher mobs, those silver elites will be much easier, the gold elites will become something to sneeze at, team quests will be a lot easier, and your chances of getting ganked on the PvP server are a little less. Conversely, your chances of successfully ganking others is that much better.
My wife and I play together alot. She’s pretty new, but is coming along quickly. One pair is my Hunter and her Rogue, the other is my Pally and her Hunter.
It works out very well. We truly suck at the PvP part on these toons, but we’ll get there.
edit 10/30: Zygor’s guides have been updated for the 3.0+ patches and will be Wrath ready (1-80 leveling) when WotLK is released.
edit 12/31: Totally updated for Wrath, when it was released in Nov, the guides have been updated a couple of times since then. The updates are free.
edit: 4/17: Updated for the 3.1 patch.
edit: 12/14/09: Zygor’s was updated to version 2.0 a few weeks back. The basic functionality is pretty much the same, but there have been some significant changes. I’ll note some of them here, the rest of the review is largely unchanged and is still applicable.
Bliz has made changes to its addons policy that, as far as I understand it, make it a violation to directly sell addons. Zygor guarantees that their guide is A-Ok by the Bliz policy.
Improved user interface which allows more customization
Improved step detection as you fly through the quests.
Improved class quests – adds your particular class quests to the guide.
Internal talent guide and automated talent picker. Sure, there are a bazillion talent guides all over the web, and some who might read this have a detailed understanding of the talents and strong ideas of what’s “best.” This thing is for those who might not want to fuss about it. If you like it will select and assign your talents for you so that you don’t have to bother with it (is that making things too easy?) If you want to pick/assign your own, then go for it. It even works with the dual talent build system.
There is a Guide forum on the Zygor site where the admins actually answer questions. You don’t even need to buy the guide to see it. Actually this isn’t new with 2.0, but it’s a good enough forum that it’s worth mentioning.
Disclaimer: Part 1: If you buy the guide through these link I do get a cut. Part 2: With the guide I have leveled a Rogue from 70 to 80, another from 1-63, a DK from 55-75, a Pally from 1-45, a Warrior from 1-38, and various others to lower levels. So I confess, I like this guide.
And so it begins…
What I’m going to do here is go into some other guides, first. This will give some background on why we think Zygor’s Leveling Guides are so cool. Just scroll down if you want to skip this part and get to the review.
In the Beginning
In the beginning there was Joana’s Horde Leveling Guide. For Horde only, it promised, and delivered, on a fast path from level 1 to level 60. It was later updated for the Burning Crusade expansion and offered a fast path to level 70. (I used Joana’s to get my Rogue from 1 to 70. )
Shortly thereafter, Brian’s Alliance Leveling Guide came out, offering a similar system for Alliance characters.
Both of these excellent (and they are) guides had a lot of similarities, besides being Hunter oriented and solo friendly.
They offered a fast and efficient route to 70
Little, if any, need for grinding. Everything is based around the quests.
They were both PDF documents (digital ebooks.)
They were both built around the Hunter class, arguably the fastest leveling class in the World of Warcraft.
Both guides have links to sites such as Thottbot.com for extensive info on every quest in the guide.
Both guides eliminated the need for grinding to level.
Both guides come with a customized version of the Map Notes addon which heavily modifies the in-game map, adding coordinates for the location of every quest in the guide. Get the quest, get the cords from the guide, enter the map, find the point, set your waypoint, and follow the arrow to your destination. Couldn’t be easier, right?
Both guides are intended for the solo player, so don’t require you to group (generally) or enter any instance (ever.)
Both guides also offered extra goodies, such as builds, tips, and user submitted guides for the various classes.
Both are printable, so you can print ‘em out, put them on a clipboard, and check off things as you go.
Both guides will still get you leveled at a very nice pace.
As with all things there were a couple of issues that could be directed at either guide, or any other ebook type guide:
Since they’re both ebooks you have to switch back and forth between game and ebook. Unless you are/were among the few, the proud, the owner of two monitors crowd.
Not all the quest detail was included in the guides, though Brian’s did have more than Joana’s. This meant not only reading the guide, but also the quest log and the occasional link to Thottbot & Co.
If you leave the game you’ll have to remember where you left off.
The leveling path was built around using a Hunter character and run by a player who knows how to use that character well. For the average player running, for example, a Paladin, the guides could be frustrating in spots, due to the level of the mobs. I played through Joana’s Guide with a Rogue (all the way from 1-70) and was able to deal with most everything, except for a few elites and I skipped most all of the group quests.
The next level in leveling guides, such as the TeamiDemise Leveling Guide, put the entire guide in-game. This is slick. You go to the in-game map and see a listing, like this: step 1, step 2, step 3… Click the step and the marked point on the map glows, making it easy to find and set a waypoint.
The iDemise guide wasn’t class specific, either. Play what you want and the guide would get you leveled in good style. It also included Pro Tips, which are cool. No more switching back and forth to a pdf, either.
The only real hits were some typos, the need to switch back and forth to the in-game map, and that you already had to know how to get from zone 1 to zone 2, since the guide offered no help in that area. Not an issue for experienced players, but definitely one for new players.
edit – The iDemise guide has now been updated to version 3, and now shows on your main screen. It’s not automated in the way Zygor’s is, but it’s a nice step.
So now we have the next step:
Zygor’s Leveling Guides (Horde and Alliance.)
John Cook has put this thing together and we think it’s pretty darn cool. He advertises a leveling speed of less than 7 days for the 1-80 trek. Given the way this guide is put together, and assuming some fast and efficient leveling on our part (don’t take the scenic route, etc.) then I think that many of us will be able to at least come close to that speed.
No more switching: The entire guide is in a small, resizable window on your main screen. All the detail that you need to complete the quest is included. You’ll never have to switch back to a PDF, a website, or even the in-game main map to see where you have to go or what’s next.
Here’s a shot of the in-game guide windows:
Here’s what it looks like in-game. Click the image for the big picture (it’ll open in a new window.) Note the detail in the small window, to the right, plus the mark on the mini-map, and the waypoint arrow (top) with the extra detail.
This next one shows the expanded guide. Note that quests completed are grayed out. Log out, come back, and the guide will pick up from where you left off. (Click the image for the big picture.)
One of the very cool things about Zygor’s Guide is that it’s automated. Not only do you not have to manually switch from game to guide, you won’t even have to click to the next quest. Complete a quest and the guide will automatically update to the next quest. The guide does it for you (usually, sometimes you’ll have to click to the next quest on your own.) It really is like having someone giving advice over your shoulder. Here’s the next quest, here’s what you need to get…
No more setting waypoints: They’re all set for you automatically, and include distance and time to target. Plus, a dot is placed on both your mini and main maps, if you want to use them. Each time you are on a quest you follow the arrow, and do what you need to do.
This system makes it pretty hard not to find your objective.
No more having to remember where you are: the guide remembers all. Log out and come back in a week and you can pick right up from where you left off.
Starting off at some mid level? Come into the guide from any level, scroll through, find and click the quest you want to start with, and the guide will take it from there. Zygor suggests starting the guide a level or two before your level. This is to allow you to work you way into the local quest chains. Just skip the chains for quests you didn’t pick up along the way, or the quests that you already did.
The entire path of quests is visible in the guide window. You can scroll forward or back at anytime. Want to skip something? Click the next quest in line and the previous quest is grayed out.
By the way, all the quests are grayed out as they are completed, so you can always see where you are at a glance, plus where you’ve been and where you want to go next. Want to skip a quest? Just click the next one and the skipped one will become gray.
No more Thottbot - Enough detail is included so that you rarely have to look at your quest log or thottbot or any other resource, it’s all in the guide. Previous guides (eg: the PDF guides) linked all the quests to Thottbot.com (and related sites,) which is cool, but scanning Thottbot will slow your leveling speed way down.
The leveling path is not class specific: Zygor’s can be easily run with any character class. One of the ways this is handled is by the path taken, another is by including some extra grinding in places, to ding that next level before moving on.
Class quests are included.
(You’re also reminded to grab the flypoints and when to set your hearthstone.)
Is the path faster than that of any other guide? I can’t really answer that, not having played through all of them to 80, but you will certainly move at a good pace. You will never wonder about where to go next. Consider this, also: Zygor advertises a 1-80 time of under 7 days. That’s as fast as anybody does it. Plus…
No more having to set waypoints, they’re set automatically. That’s a time saver.
No more having to switch back and forth between game and website or pdf, it’s all on the main screen, saving more time.
No more having to dig into quest details, all the detail you need is in the guide, on the main screen. Just follow the arrow and level.
No more having to visit Thottbot and the others. Think of how much time that will save you.
Now how much time will all that save you on your path to 80? Just using Thottbot can waste a lot of time. Just the fact that you don’t have to do all the time wasting lookup stuff is going to cut huge amounts of time off your leveling.
The home page for the guide says that using it is like having a leveling guru giving you constant advice. Having used the guide for a quite some time now I’d say that’s pretty accurate. You’ll always know what to do and where to go next, automatically.
Leveling is now almost a no-brainer.
Quibbles? Very few.
All classes will arrive in a common zone at level 13 (Westfall for Ally, the Barrens for the Horde.) This certainly isn’t an issue unless you like the 10-20 zones for Blood Elves and Draenei (Ghostlands and Bloodmyst Isle.) For example, I like leveling Blood Elves in the Ghostlands and John skips that entirely (says he doesn’t like that area.) Still, if you like those areas yourself then level there anyway and rejoin the guide later. Same with any other area.
Class quests are skipped entirely, but they are skipped in all the other guides, too. Except for Hunters, which Joana’s and Brian’s Guides cover. Still, I’d like to see a reminder to do the quests and where to go to get them, even if the walkthrough isn’t included.
Zygor’s Guide now covers all of the important class quests! Nice enough if you’re doing an easy quest, but some of those Druid quests can really use something like this. Very cool.
Every once in awhile the guide doesn’t update automatically. It’s easy to fix, though. Just click the next item manually and you’ll be back on track. Originally the Northrend quests didn’t all update automatically, but updates have corrected this.
There are times when you will be fighting things a couple of levels higher than your character. This is easy enough for some, but others might find it a bit rough.
Originally there was some grinding from time to time, but this has been removed in the current guide. For me, I just used rest XP, killed a few extra mobs here and there, and was usualy at least a level ahead of the guide. For example, At level 44 I was over a full level ahead of the guide, which certainly made the quests that much easier. This was with just a little extra grinding here and there.
In conclusion -
Our family has four WoW players, ranging from pretty new to very experienced. We all agree that Zygor’s is our leveling guide of choice. Having all the necessary info right there on the main screen has pretty much spoiled us for any of the other guides.
It’s easy for the new player to follow and efficient enough for the experienced player to want to use it. That’s a tough act, but John pulls it off nicely and his Zygor’s Guide rocks.
Give player A a copy of Zygor’s Guide and Player B a copy of any of the other guides. Everything else being equal (such as player experience) I think you’ll see the Zygor’s user (Player A) getting to 80 long before Player B. Not having to do the switching or looking up quest details will save large amounts of time.
Edit: Dwarf Rogue time to level 30: 1 day, 22 hours, 58 min. This includes time for mining, skinning, visiting the AH, and a few time wasting activies.
To level 44: 3 days, 20 hours
My Rogue is 78 now, everything past dinging level 70 has been with Zygor’s guide. I’m not setting any speed records, though. I’m spending too much time exploring, making glyphs, and so on. The next character I run through Northrend will level much faster.
edit: As I mentioned above Zygor’s guides is completely ready for Wrath of the Lich King, so you will be able to blast to 80 in record time.
edit: Dinged 80 some time back, well before the end of the guide. Read more… »
Zygor’s Leveling Guide is one of the newest of the leveling guides and I think it kicks the iDemise guide in the butt. Both of these are in-game guides, but while the iDemise guide is attached to your main map (and it ain’t at all bad) the Zygor guide is present on your main screen at all times.
It’s an addon, so installation is simple. You dump it into your addons folder and it’ll load automatically. If your character is new just start from step 1, otherwise scroll through the guide till you find the right place for your level and go from there.
I ran an Undead Warrior up to 12 and a Blood Elf Paladin up to 16 using the guide and had no issues and never had to consult the quest log.
Note the waypoint arrow at the top of the screen. It also lists the current quest, special things to look out for, and the distance to go to reach the objective.
Note the bright dot on the mini-map, marking the goal. There’s also one on the big map.
The quest box appears on the main screen at all times, but you can get rid of it by clicking the X at the top right corner. Bring it back by hitting the ZY button on your mini-map (in the 8:00 position in this screenshot)
Note the dot on the mini-map and the waypoint at the top of the screen.
Also note the expanded guide showing the quest list. Quests that have been finished are greyed out, while the current quest is highlighted.
Sometimes the guide will not update the current quest. If that happens just click the next one and it’ll pick with up from there.
The guide also keeps track of your level and your exect stop in the guide. If you log out (you do log out sometimes, don’t you?) the guide will remember your position and start up from that point when you come back. Try that with a PDF or the iDemise guide.
Class quests are not included. You’ll have to grab those on your own, they’re not part of the guide. But then again, Joana’s Guide only had the Hunter quests and the iDemise guide has none, either.
Where to go next is also detailed. New to a zone and not sure where to go to get to the next one? Zygor’s will show you the way.
Notes: I didn’t have to look at the quest logs at all. No trips to Thottbot or any of the other WoW sites and I hardly looked at the big map, except to keep an eye on my location.
How much time do you think you’ll save on your blast to 70 by not having to consult your quest logs, thottbot, the main map, or having to set your own waypoints?
The perfect guide? Well, for that it would have to include the class quests. It would also have to remind you to grab flypoints, repair your gear, go to the bathroom, get something to eat …
This is interesting because I’m not the fastest leveler in the world. I got my Rogue to 70 in just over 15 days time (using Joana’s Guide,) which is Ok, but it’s not breaking any records.
So here are a few things which slow me down, besides lack of experience, and what do do instead. This assumes that you’re leveling solo:
Skip the looting. On my way to 70 I looted everything and skinned everything skinable. You get the loots, but it does slow one down. If you don’t need the loot or skins then skip the looting. Just kill and move to the next. Youi’ll save a lot of time over those 70 levels.
Skip the gathering and gold grinding. For the same reasons. On your blast to 70 you might want to be as ruthlessly efficient as possible. Besides, if you follow the gold blueprint you won’t really need to gather.
Skip the PvP. If you’re on a PvP server just put up with the ganking you’ll get and move on.
Keep yourself in decent gear. By decent I’m talking about gear for leveling, not raids or PvP. Green gear will do you fine. Upgrade it every 10 levels or so.
Let your mule do the buying. You should have an Auction House Mule. This is a low level character that will live at the AH 100% of the time. This character will do all of your buying and selling. Your mule buys the gear, then mails it to your main character. You’ll save plenty of time doing it this way. Your main should never visit the AH.
Never visit the Vendors, except to resupply, repair, and sell your grey stuff. Everything halfway decent gets shipped to your mule.
Get a Guide: I used Joana’s Guide for my Rogue, but I think Zygor’s Guide will get you there faster, not because the path is necessarily better, but because the guide in 100% in-game and visible on screen at all times and waypoints are set automatically. You’ll never have to switch to your main map or a pdf again. It also remembers where you were when you log out.
Log out in an Inn. Get that rest XP. Most of us have to log out sometime, might as well do it at the inn.
Never go AFK: If you want a fast /played time you don’t want to have your character sitting around doing nothing. Besides, if you’re on a PvP server you’re likely to come back to the computer to find your character is dead. Log out if you’re going to be afk for more than a few seconds.
Hunters are faster, but Rogues do it from behind. A hunter will have far fewer repairs (never engaing in melee) and somewhat less need to keep his gear up to date, given a decent pet. This is why Joana and Brian used hunters for their speed leveling. If you find other classes to be more fun then by all means use them. Zygor’s guide is not class specific.
Spec yourself for leveling: assign your talents to allow faster leveling. Some talents are great for raids and/or PvP, other are better for faster PvE. You can always respec later, it’s easy and cheap the first couple of times.
Group your quests: Pick up a bunch of quests at a time. You’ll find that you can do two or three or four in one small area. Do all those at the same time. This is one reason that guides are so nice. All the quests are grouped, useless ones are dumped, and you do a lot less traveling.
Questing is better than Grinding: You’ll level twice as fast by questing. ’nuff said.
The idea here is to be ruthlessly efficient. Dump anything that slows down your “get quest and finish quest” time. If you can do a quest without reading the quest description then don’t read it.
A full review of Zygor’s Guide is coming soon. It looks to me like it’ll be the fastest leveling thing out there, partly because it’s an efficient path, but mostly because it’s all right there on your main screen. Check it out here.
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